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Admissions
Based on the Ohio State Page I think an "Admissions" category might be a valuable addition to the Miami page. The OSU page speaks somewhat extensively to admissions scores. On the undergraduate level Miami has higher average test scores on both the SAT and ACT than any other public school in Ohio. The overall admissions ratings are also considerably higher. These factor could be spoken to considering the considerable jabbing that seems to resonate from Ohio State bringing up every ranking in which they prevail and none in which they become second fiddle.[1]
--Sam Harmon 22:02, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
You constantly mention that a school should not have to list who ranks higher than them within their own article and this is why Ohio State need not mention the lower ranking in undergraduate business schools. The huge hole in your logic is that the Miami page never claimed at any point (well, before my edits today) to be the "highest ranked undergraduate business school in Ohio." It is true that schools should not be able to go to another schools page and point out they are ranked higher, however, should a school claim they are the "highest ranked university in Ohio" then they better stand up to that claim in ALL major rankings. Excluding the other major ranking, placing Ohio State far lower, makes the entire section POV.
The second point you speak to is admissions. The numbers are there: SAT: Miami=1202, OSU=1197. ACT: Miami=27, OSU=26. While these numbers are not dramatically different, they are far more significant considering the huge sample size and less subjectivity than the one spot Miami falls behind OSU in US News rankings. The Princeton Review also ranks Miami Admissions Significantly harder than those at OSU (90 vs. 84). As far as class ranking %, those numbers mean nothing, they could simply be indicative of the types of high schools Miami draws from versus those at OSU (instate vs. out of state as you mentioned). I attended a school that the University of Michigan gave a .4 boost to in order to figure out a real GPA number, and where a 1400 and hard work far from meant you would fall within the top 10%. Those class %'s could simply mean that OSU is doing an excellent job at attracting kids from easy schools around the area while Miami is pulling in high achievers from top schools around the region.
For what its worth to the discussion, Miami was forced to loosen its 2006 admission standards to guarantee a large incoming class to make up for an unusually small freshman class in 2005. One would expect its 2007 admissions data show much more selectivity than it did in 2006. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 134.53.107.225 (talk o contribs).
Multi-Culti
Someone contacted me about removing the information on African-Americans. I hope this note reaches them. It may be true that Miami admitted African-Americans before other schools. If it is the page should reflect this. This page should help us determine the accuracy: [2]
If it is true I think we should put something on the page about the bigotry here. A neutral way to do that may be finding the number of actually African-Americans students. Miami would have you believe it's 10% but it's really something like 384 out of 15,000. 10% of students are multicultural but they stretch the definition to get there.
-User:Alison
Frats
I removed language calling Miami "the mother of fraternities" because it seemed to be in a prejudicial light and was not evidenced. Liffer 01:34, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
the whole tuition thing
How is the new tuition scheme different from the old? Wasn't there always one price for out of state and one for in? Certainly during my time there that was the case. -- -- I. Neschek | talk 18:17, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Yale?
Miami's campus is "somewhat modeled after Yale?" I always thought it was William and Mary... -- -- I. Neschek | talk 22:52, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Durbin Ward
Yesterday I added General Durbin Ward, a lawyer and newspaper publisher who served in the Ohio General Assembly, to the list of people associated with the university, but it was soon deleted. My sources say he attended Miami, but are silent as to whether he graduated; I'm assuming he didn't. Certainly Ward was as important as Nick Lachey, who is still listed in the same place. PedanticallySpeaking 15:23, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)
Kundor 12:00, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
Picture of Oxford in the state of Ohio
Where did that picture come from? It's one of the more disproportioned maps of Ohio that I have ever seen. Stratton 08:51, May 29, 2005 (UTC)--
The "honors university"
Okay, a recent edit to the article says that MU is the "honors university" for the Ohio state uni system. If this is true, this is the first I've heard of it. I'll try to verify this information, and if I can't, I'm going to take out the edit. Someday. When I have time. If someone beats me to it, more power to 'em. -- -- I. Neschek | talk 23:05, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
In defense of the Other Ohio
The point, my anonymous friend (who won't even defend his/her school by identifying her/himself with an IP address), is that the state of Ohio has established that state-sponsored post-secondary education in Ohio will be conducted through several fully autonomous and separate university systems. What's truly pathetic are the attempts by tOSU nutheads to deny Ohio's rich collegiate heritage by demanding the lion's share (and more!) of dwindling state post-secondary educational support, while acting as though the farmland in the middle of Columbus is the beginning and end of university-level education in Ohio. Ohio has more state university systems than any other state. Why would any proud Ohioan-- even a nuthead-- try to trivialize this? Keep it up, and the General Assembly might agree with you by closing those other systems. Then all of Ohio loses. -- SwissCelt 16:38, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Sofa Punch
An anonymous user made an edit about a band called "Sofa Punch" that supposedly plays at MU. I'm not sure this is notable; there are probably jillions of bands formed at MU who are famous in a very local sense, but unless it's somebody with regional or national chops I'm inclined to leave it out. Sofa Punch guy, if you want to mount a defense, please put a note here or at my talk page; I for one am open to dissent. -- -- I. Neschek | talk 17:20, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
President and quarterback
Okay, so what are the other three colleges to have produced both a Super Bowl-winning quarterback and a US President? And where is this sourced? -- SwissCelt 13:16, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Michigan: Brady/Ford Naval Academy: Staubach/Carter Stanford: Plunkett/Hoover Miami University: Roethlisberger/Harrison
Yes... that information comes internally from within Miami and their Office of University Communications.
Time for cleanup?
The introduction to this article is really long. I count 12 paragraphs. Perhaps it's time for cleanup? Nothing needs to be taken out, per se, that I can see. However, much of the introduction should probably be moved to other sections. -- SwissCelt 12:28, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Ron Zook
Ron Zook was captain of the football team in 1975; and was invited to work with the team as a graduate assistant in 1976 spring training. That qualifies him for inclusion in the "Cradle of Coaches" paragraph. Hokeman 05:38, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
The Synchronized Skating team
I know that the Synchronized ice Skating team won the National Championship this past spring, they also won in 1999. They are known throughout the skating world as THE varsity skating team... I think its worth mentioning something about them. Google it, or go to www.usfsa.org for more info.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronized_skating is a link as well
- Although Miami is the only college to have a varsity program for syncronized ice skating, the majority of the campus couldn't care less. The two most popular sports at Miami are Football and Ice Hockey which compete on the top caliber in the NCAA.
- While the football and ice hockey teams compete in the top caliber of the NCAA, Miami's synchronized skating team competes in the top caliber in the world. Their 2007 season marks the first time the USA has ever earned a medal at the World Championships, where they earned the silver. THAT is extremely notable. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.192.186 (talk) 14:31, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
Miami and the founding of Ohio State
I'm curious as to exactly what Miami's role was in the founding of Ohio State. I do know that President Stanton and Miami attempted to gain the land grant designation for Miami but failed. Beyond that, what exactly was their role in founding Ohio State? I've checked The Miami Years, but it says nothing beyond Miami's failure to gain the state's land-grant designation. --Sam Harmon 06:14, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
--I took a course at Miami in which Curtis Ellison, a former Dean of the Western College and old-timer in Oxford spoke about this. I think he has done a lot of digging around in the university archives and I tend to believe him. Anyone else?
Closing of WCP
I restored the section regarding the recent closing of the WCP, assuming that it's removal was the result of an accidental reversion. If that's not the case, please let me know why you see the entry as inappropriate. Wikipedia often covers timely events and news stories and this one is relevant to other sections of the this entry.
Miami U. vs. U. Miami
This statement--Miamians cite that Miami was a university when Florida belonged to Spain (see Spanish Florida) as Miami University is over 120 years older than University of Miami of Florida--is designed to suggest that Miami University has some larger national distinction and prominance than the University of Miami. To most, however, the opposite would be true. UM is a globally-recongized university with many distinctions (including five national NCAA football championships) and top tier academic programs. The reason Miami U. is called Miami (Ohio) is because a typical reader would more commonly think of the University of Miami if the word "Miami" was used to describe it. This paragraph, if anything, should explain why Miami U. is called Miami (Ohio) and that means not describing how long its been around vs. UM but acknowledging that it is very easily confused with UM. The sentence in question is contrary to this reality and no more than academic boosterism, since the date of its founding is previously referenced.
This paragraph should read more simply: Miami University is commonly referred to as Miami (Ohio) to avoid confusion with the University of Miami in Florida. MiamiDolphins3 22:14, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I tried to work with you. But since you insist upon putting these unsourced, diminuitive statements in the article without allowing input from Miami supporters, I say these concessions to your precious little Coral Gables Community College... er, I mean University of Miami stay out of the article. That is, of course, unless you're willing to work with us on adding sources. -- SwissCelt 02:26, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I also would like to request a better source for the "Miamians typically note..." sentence as one blog post is hardly evidence of Miamians "typically" noting this. Personally, the entire statement is needlessly defensive and the article would be better without it particularly since there is no reason given for why the "(Ohio") is sometimes used in the first place. In fact, since this appears to happen most often in reports and articles about athletics it might be better off being moved to that section and out of the intro. --ElKevbo 05:18, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Ranking information
Ranking information was removed from Miami Oh until it is phrased in a similar way that was forced upon UMiami, that is with 252 specified, and "national Universities" in quotes. Let's be fair, SwissCelt... --Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.171.49.231 (talk o contribs) 19:46, February 2, 2007
Oh, this is funny...
After being accused by Floridians, Ohioans, and more of boosterism for MU, now an editor accuses me of trying to boost tOSU for citing both universities' placement in the USN&WR survey. Can't a Bowling Green alum express a NPOV on this here thang? *grin* -- SwissCelt 17:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Seventh oldest public university
An editor has come forward to dispute the claim that Miami is the seventh oldest public university in the United States. I found a source from the university itself which makes this claim. However, if someone knows of a contravening source, please tell us here in this section so that we may evaluate the claim. -- SwissCelt 18:05, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
http://www.forloveandhonor.org/corporatepartners.htm http://www.cincinnatiusa.com/Attractions/detail.asp?AttractionID=129
Seems there's a lot of "haters" out there who haven't experienced the Miami Magic. Don't knock it until you've experienced it.
I am not knocking Miami, I just want Wikipedia to be as accurate as possible. It is unfortunate the the university has disseminated this incorrect information. There are at least ten public universities older than MU:
William & Mary - 1693
Rutgers - 1766
Georgia - 1785
Pitt - 1787
North Carolina - 1789
Vermont - 1791
Tennessee - 1794
Louisville - 1798
South Carolina - 1801
Ohio - 1804
--75.49.17.59 16:42, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Here's the problem with your list. Not all of these were founded as public universities. Willam and Mary, for example, was formed by Royal Charter and Pittsburgh did not become a public university until 1966 according to Wikipedia. So I reverted the change. BTW, this issue is discussed at length in the book 'Miami University: A Personal History' by Phillip R. Shriver, president emeritus and professor of history at Miami. DIDouglass 21:05, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
The point in time at which the schools listed above became public is irrelevent. The issue at hand is whether or not MU is the 7th oldest public university, not the 7th oldest university to become a public university. All of the schools listed are public universities and all are older than MU. To claim that Miami is the seventh oldest public university is factually incorrect. Perhaps something along the lines of "One of the earliest public universities..." would be more appropriate. I have corrected the entry. --75.60.224.54 20:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
The point IS relevant--in that only six schools were founded as publicly-supported before Miami. The fact that some have since assumed that status is (IMHO) irrelevant. But I can see how the old language could be construed to be incorrect, so I have edited it.DIDouglass 22:12, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Land Grant college?
Can someone tell me why Miami U. is listed as a "land grant public university" (both in its heading/summary box and in the land grant college article as Miami is, most certainly NOT a land grant college (note discussion immediately below)? I'm an Ohioan who went out of state to a land grant school, Michigan State -- the oldest -- so I'd feel funny correcting this error. I hope one of the editors of this board would fix this major error, both here and in the land grant article listing Miami as a land grant school.151.197.39.235 07:20, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I believe it the land was granted by the U.S. Congress in the very early 19th century or late 18th century by President George Washington to John Cleves Symmes to purchase that area of the Northwest territory and a plot was designated for an academy of the highest degree. Miami wasn't founded under the Morrill Act (Ohio State was) but it the land was granted by our founding fathers... What do you think? --Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.24.37.112 (talk o contribs) 18:16, November 14, 2006
The 2nd para is correct: while most 19th century colleges were technically founded via a 'land grant' for campus and/or funding in our still frontier economy, the term "Land Grant Colleges" specifically refer to Morrill Act colleges: those with liberal/technical leanings designed to support 'agriculture and the mechanic arts" (engineering), and were to provide equal access to quality higher ed to the 'industrial classes'. Most colleges were created under the Morrill Act, either as separate colleges from existing State Universities or as appendages to brand new or existing state or, even, formerly private colleges (like Rutgers, Delaware or Vermont). Michigan State, Penn State and, I believe Maryland, actually received local (state) land grants a few years prior to the passage of the Morrill Act, which was signed by Lincoln in 1862 during the Civil War (Southern states opposed it because they felt the "Yankee" Fed Govt was using Morrill to try and usurp their power - of course, by 1862 those states were temporarily gone so Morrill went thru)... Suffice it to say, Miami U was not the Morrill land grant college in Ohio, OSU is. 151.197.39.235 06:56, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Student radio
I don't know how to edit it, but I suggest an addition to the Media section of the red box below External Links. Missing is WMSR (Miami Student Radio), the student run radio broadcasted via the campus cable system and the internet. I created an article about the station once as my first attempt at Wikipedia editting, but it was deleted due to confusion over whether I had the right to post the station history (I worked there at the time, but didn't think to explain that). In any case, perhaps we can make a mention of the name under Media? Bvedra 06:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Miami as Liberal Arts College
Nobody outside of the Miami of Ohio community considers or calls MU a "liberal arts college" When people think of a liberal arts college, they think of places such as Kenyon or Oberlin--colleges that have no graduate programs and where the overwhelming majority, if not all, of the students major in traditional arts, sciences and humanities disciplines.
So in summation: Less than half of Miami of Ohio's students major in arts, sciences or humanities. Miami of Ohio maintains multiple masters, doctoral and reserch programs. Both the Carnegie Endowment and USN&WR classify it as a comprehensive university, yet based on some internally generated p.r. piece we're supposed to believe that Miami of Ohio is a liberal arts college. Find some reference generated outside of Miami of Ohio designating or catagorizing it as a liberal arts college then your edits might have some validity.
Also, what's referred to as the "Miami Plan" is nothing unique. Every respectable comprehensive university has such a plan. Most aren't narcissistic enough to name it after themselves, but that's another matter. At some schools it's called a "core curriculum" at others, "general education requirements" and so on. Miami of Ohio is simply doing what any respectable university does. I also might add that, by the plan's own description, it only requires 30% of a students coursework to be traditional arts, sciences and humanities. Contrast that with Ohio State where an accounting major is required to take 40% of his coursework in approved arts, sciences and humanities classes. I guess that Ohio State being a little more secure in its place in the pecking order didn't have to name it "The Buckeye Plan" and pretend to have invented the wheel.
Seriously, I've never been around a group of alumni whose self perception of their institution is so at odds with the way everybody else views it. It's almost cult-like. My favorite example is the "Mother of Ohio Governors" nonsense, which found its way for a time into this article. Never mind the reality that Miami of Ohio has produced exactly three Ohio governors in almost 200 years of history with the last having left office in 1909. "If it sounds good say it," must be the mantra in Oxford.--Sam Harmon 15:59, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to try to be as tactful and diplomatic as possible. Just because a university has limited graduate programs does not necessarily mean that it has more resources to devote to undergraduates. One could legitimately make the counter argument that large research schools such as Michigan, Wisconsin or Ohio State because of their multi-billion dollar endowments--despite having more extensive grad school, research and faculty commitments--still have more resources financial and otherwise to devote to their undergraduates. One could conceivably make the argument that an AAU university because of its research profile and the ability to mentor Ph.D students is able to attract a far higher profile of faculty members whose presence in the classroom would more than offset the undergraduate centered workload of lesser distinguished colleagues elsewhere.
My point here is not to say the arguments that I've just outlined are correct, and your point is incorrect. Rather, I'm pointing out that this is a far more complex issue than the manner in which it has been portrayed in this article. Find an objective, independant study proving Miami's limited grad programs and research result in more resources being devoted to its undergraduate students than larger more comprehensive universities have available for their undergraduates, and I don't think anyone will question placing it in the article. Given the competing arguments, however, the standard for including these claims should be something beyond internally generated bullet points.--Sam Harmon 16:53, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Dorm List
I'd like to remove the dormitory list. It seems to me to be extraneous and irrelevant to the article. Agree? Disagree?DIDouglass 18:53, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
As there has been no plea to save this info, I am deleting it.DIDouglass 20:15, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Regional Campuses
For an accurate portrait of M.U., I think a small discussion of the Hamilton and Middletown campuses is necessary...especially concerning very poor and low academic standards at the regional campuses (I personally do not know about Middletown but I taught full time at MUH for two academic years and it is a joke).
As an MU grad, I attended classes on both the MUH and Oxford campuses. Personally, I found most professors more helpful and the learning environment to be better at the regional campus. -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.49.1.62 (talk) 13:04, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
An MU grad, I attended about half of my classes in Oxford and the other half at the regional campuses. I did not experience any lower academic standards. Actually, I found the regional campus professors to be more involved and personable, which facilitated better learning. -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.215.174.23 (talk) 01:51, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Should there be a mention of the 1970 protests?
As best as I recall, having lived in Oxford, Ohio from about 1973-1979, when I was very young, wasn't Miami the site of larger, more vocal anti Vietnam war demonstrations than the ones at Kent State (Kent State's being more infamous for obvious reasons)? And should it go into trivia or Campus history, or be included at all? UnseemlyWeasel 23:25, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Miami was the site of significant protests which coincided with the Kent State protests, among many others. The Miami protests were not larger or more violent than many around Ohio or the nation. The Oxford campus was shut down for several days following the deaths in Kent. Because similar events were so widespread in 1970, it seems that they should get minimal coverage.Penmanship 19:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Could not find mention of Miami as a feeder school in WSJ article: So You Want to go to Harvard Law?
Please verify citation 8
Degree programs
This article is not a catalog. I looked at a few other college sites and do not see the lengthly listing of the degrees they offer. I'm inclined to delete this addition. Differing opinions??DIDouglass (talk) 05:18, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Fight Song
The article currently states that Miami's fight song was adapted from The University of Chicago's 'Wave the Flag.' This is false, as Miami's fight song was composed by then-faculty member Raymond Burke. I am editing the article to reflect this. Smolamj (talk) 05:44, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Miami's Name
The trivia section that I've deleted stated that Miami is the only school named after a Native American tribe. That's not even true within Ohio. Shawnee State University, in Portsmouth, Ohio, is named after the Shawnee tribe. CavanaughPark 02:26, 7 April 2008 (UTC)CavanaughPark
College Town
Was Oxford, Ohio already a college town when Miami University was founded? The way the opening section of the article currently reads, it gives the reader the impression that the university was founded in a college town. I rather suspect that it became a college town after the university appeared there. Probably just needs a simple rewording, though knowing nothing about the school or the area I am not qualified to do so. Mbarbier (talk) 18:02, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Miami of Ohio
Yes, it's been discussed before... and it was determined then that "Miami of Ohio" should be mentioned only in the context of disambiguation (for lack of a better word) from "Miami of Florida". The school's name is not "Miami of Ohio"-- this is not Indiana University of Pennsylvania. Continuing to call it that in the lede only serves to denigrate the school. -- JeffBillman (talk) 04:05, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Recent hockey playoffs
The (outdated and unreferenced) sentences in this article about the recent hockey playoffs are clearly recentisms that have little or no place in this article about a 200 year old institution. This material would have a place in the athletics article and certainly in the hockey team article but anything more than the most cursory of mentions is out of place in this encyclopedia article. JeffBillman has reverted my removal of this material so I welcome thoughts and discussion from others. --ElKevbo (talk) 15:45, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
New Picture of Elliot Hall?
Can we please have a new picture of Stoddard and Elliot? The current photo is mostly of a lamp! --Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.164.79.95 (talk) 20:11, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
WikiProject Classical League
Given that the American Classical League is based at Miami, I'd say that's strong evidence that this article is within the scope of the Classical League WikiProject. I have therefore restored its infobox. -- JeffBillman (talk) 22:46, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Rankings
The university's rankings have been changed without also updating the source. This has led to a situation by which the rankings in the article may be in error. Please find an updated source, and edit the rankings accordingly. Alternatively, per WP:RANK we can probably do without the rankings... which is the solution I initially offered and still support. Thanks! -- JeffBillman (talk) 10:03, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Snowball Rebellion
I feel that some mention of the "Snowball Rebellion" should be included. This event occurred in 1848 a few decades prior to the closing of Old Miami. Though not a graduate, I have been to Miami University multiple times and find it to be a most beautiful and historic campus. Indyjrg1762 (talk) 04:45, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Cleanup tag in undergraduate section
I added a cleanup tag in the undergraduate section-- I was hoping I'd get the chance to edit it down myself and make it more feasible, but I haven't gotten the chance yet. It kind of reads like a tourist guide, "The Farmer School of Business is housed in a spectacular, 210,000 square foot state-of-the-art Farmer School of Business, or FSB for short." ... or a list of majors for the art school, and etc. I feel that it should really be more in line with normal prose and give sort of a general overview of what the University offers and what it really specializes in (liberal arts and business). Nomader (Talk) 03:13, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
name explanation
can anyone have a name explaination for this school. (or at least for my sake on this discussion). How can a place be called miami university and not be located in Miami. Am I the only one who thinks thats ridiculas. Is this the only school that does that? -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.230.3.250 (talk) 00:33, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
It most likely gets its name from the nearby Miami River. Indyjrg1762 (talk) 13:33, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
Charter school
Maybe some information about Miami University becoming a charter school should be included in this article. Here is a website that talks about the subject. [4]--MrNiceGuy1113 (talk) 17:26, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
Location of "History" section in article
I've begun a discussion at WP:COLLEGE at this page to discuss whether the "History" section of this article should be at the top of the page or at its current location. Nomader (talk) 04:00, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
conservative?
Does Miami U. have a politically conservative ideology and/or student body? This opinion article suggests it does, but of course it's not an RS. Strangely, our article alludes to a "conservative environment" in the 1930s, but the source does not seem to support that. The sourcing here should be improved, and if Miami is in fact conservative then it should be stated directly instead of referenced obliquely in the middle of the history section. --Nstrauss (talk) 17:45, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Billings Natatorium
4 years ago an editor wrote a draft at User:1025Thomas/Billings Natatorium. They are no longer active on Wikipedia since then. Should this draft be moved to Draft: or is it fine to be move to an article at Billings Natatorium. Could interested editors please look at the draft and make a decision on it. Thank you. PNGWantok (talk) 11:41, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Oldest College Newspaper?
The image of the newspaper shows a date of 1867, not 1826. Should this be labeled as disputed? Sdkb (talk) 06:27, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
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